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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 18, 2015 13:26:11 GMT
Draft outline: Sometime after the accident in his lab, Norman and Warren start a cloning program - using Oscorp resources. Warren, a teacher and project lead, is looking to improve the world. Norman, is looking for ___ (cure his insanity, make money, clone his dead wife, clone Norman, etc.) Intital planning, based on theory, determines clones will have two major components - the bodies (hardware) and memories/personality (software) The exploratory testing (using Osborn's (clean or infected) DNA, Warren's & Joyce) does not go well - samples do not form and/or decay rapidly. They set test subject parameters, and Warren collects DNA samples from several students as part of an extra credit assignment. Gwen Stacy, a bright student that helps run the lab, submits a profile. Peter Parker does not. A new round of testing fails - except for one sample - Gwens. Warren has a theory for this. Whatever problem he might encounter, will be overcome, as he eventually did clones of several subjects. This was just a statistical anomaly, right?
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Post by vixx on Jun 18, 2015 13:45:39 GMT
Yes - he really really early in the process. He'll tweak the equipment and process as he progresses and moves forward to great success- Gwen's DNA is just easier to work with and doesn't appear to disintegrate as quickly, as they confirm her body in two years and he can do a core sample during sins (apparently, shes not in a coffin lol)
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 18, 2015 14:26:08 GMT
Yes - he really really early in the process. He'll tweak the equipment and process as he progresses and moves forward to great success- Gwen's DNA is just easier to work with and doesn't appear to disintegrate as quickly, as they confirm her body in two years and he can do a core sample during sins (apparently, shes not in a coffin lol) Ok, but don't forget that he did produce dissolving Gwen clones, at least the one which briefly appeared in the second Clone Saga.
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Post by vixx on Jun 18, 2015 15:01:43 GMT
Sure - but I think he could make them do pretty much anything by the time he got going. Arguement is the clones coming out of this lab are among the best he's ever created, he wouldn't know how to be efficient yet. Im kind of following the a product lifecycle model - the earliest ones are the highest quality while you figure everything out, and eventually reach the best you can do...then you know what you can remove do cheaper/faster to until it's basically a commodity. Ie: a VCR from around the mid 90's is going to be the best ever produced for that technology, winding down to the generic cheapies you can still buy today that will perform the basic functions, but have no where near the quality or durability, because they are built for cost efficiency / speed of manufactuer. The Gwen clone around 144 is the best example of replicating a human all round that was completed. The one in the grave is the same model (physically speaking). He may of switched out some chemicals that made them stable but were really, really hard to get to something much easier, but more volitile. If they disintegrate on death - that wouldn't matter so much for a lot of applications - if you want to mess with someones head, it may even be a plus. The Osborn one would be as good or superior still to this one, as no expense was spared. He was practically xeroxing them by the clone saga
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 18, 2015 15:11:34 GMT
Draft outline: Sometime after the accident in his lab, Norman and Warren start a cloning program - using Oscorp resources. Warren, a teacher and project lead, is looking to improve the world. Norman, is looking for ___ (cure his insanity, make money, clone his dead wife, clone Norman, etc.) Intital planning, based on theory, determines clones will have two major components - the bodies (hardware) and memories/personality (software) The exploratory testing (using Osborn's (clean or infected) DNA, Warren's & Joyce) does not go well - samples do not form and/or decay rapidly. They set test subject parameters, and Warren collects DNA samples from several students as part of an extra credit assignment. Gwen Stacy, a bright student that helps run the lab, submits a profile. Peter Parker does not. A new round of testing fails - except for one sample - Gwens. Warren has a theory for this. Warren shares the results with Norman, and they detail out the technologies and processes the program will be run under. Norman secretly researches Gwen to learn all about her. He loathes a non pure line, but is willing to make a concession. Neeh, if Gwen's DNA relevance, is purely coincidental and technical, doesn't hiring a PI make it "personal"? All this is still taking place between ASM #17 and 39.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 18, 2015 15:15:55 GMT
Im kind of following the a product lifecycle model - the earliest ones are the highest quality while you figure everything out, and eventually reach the best you can do...then you know what you can remove do cheaper/faster to until it's basically a commodity. This definitely has to be kept in the final drat, it explains what otherwise looked like whimsy defect, surely introduced in the 90's for its theatrical effect.
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Post by vixx on Jun 18, 2015 15:26:18 GMT
Draft outline: Sometime after the accident in his lab, Norman and Warren start a cloning program - using Oscorp resources. Warren, a teacher and project lead, is looking to improve the world. Norman, is looking for ___ (cure his insanity, make money, clone his dead wife, clone Norman, etc.) Intital planning, based on theory, determines clones will have two major components - the bodies (hardware) and memories/personality (software) The exploratory testing (using Osborn's (clean or infected) DNA, Warren's & Joyce) does not go well - samples do not form and/or decay rapidly. They set test subject parameters, and Warren collects DNA samples from several students as part of an extra credit assignment. Gwen Stacy, a bright student that helps run the lab, submits a profile. Peter Parker does not. A new round of testing fails - except for one sample - Gwens. Warren has a theory for this. Warren shares the results with Norman, and they detail out the technologies and processes the program will be run under. Norman secretly researches Gwen to learn all about her. He loathes a non pure line, but is willing to make a concession. Neeh, if Gwen's DNA relevance, is purely coincidental and technical, doesn't hiring a PI make it "personal"? All this is still taking place between ASM #17 and 39. It doesn't have to be at a PI level - He's just putting his mind at ease. He just knows her as a sample that did well. Warren wouldn't care who she was and focus on the genetics... Norman would figure it out, which is pretty unethical, because to him it's just as important. He'd just want to make sure she comes from "the right family" and isn't a crackhead, teen mom or mental patient. Warren has basically told him it's this or nothing for a long time..and she'd going to be spliced with his DNA. Osborn hates the thought of a non-pure line...but would move forward if she was acceptable. Plus- Goblin would know what Norman learns. Who is this person? Norman, It's normal to want to know, but we shouldn't connect the samples to real people in this project, it's borderline, ethically speaking and can cloud our judgement. I don't want my team thinking of her as a person and getting too attached. It's been known to happen. Remember, what's important is the genetics. She's a girl from my class who completed the assignment we agreed on. That's all we need to know. Norman agrees, but looks through Warren's desk, finds the assignments - and Gwen's the only girl....not unheard of in STEM work. Looks her up on Facebook or googles her Picture, dad is upstanding, she's in a science class..maybe there is an article for some award or scholarship she won - ok with Norman. He may even connect her to his son's friends - "she's been at my house!" "she dated my son!" or "she'd totally want me.." Ok, maybe not that last one lol
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 18, 2015 16:21:00 GMT
I think Norman would connect her name, to that of his son's friend. It's not like Harry had that many friends, after all.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 18, 2015 16:26:26 GMT
Draft outline: Sometime after the accident in his lab, Norman and Warren start a cloning program - using Oscorp resources. Warren, a teacher and project lead, is looking to improve the world. Norman, is looking for ___ (cure his insanity, make money, clone his dead wife, clone Norman, etc.) Intital planning, based on theory, determines clones will have two major components - the bodies (hardware) and memories/personality (software) The exploratory testing (using Osborn's (clean or infected) DNA, Warren's & Joyce) does not go well - samples do not form and/or decay rapidly. They set test subject parameters, and Warren collects DNA samples from several students as part of an extra credit assignment. Gwen Stacy, a bright student that helps run the lab, submits a profile. Peter Parker does not. A new round of testing fails - except for one sample - Gwens. Warren has a theory for this. Warren shares the results with Norman, and they detail out the technologies and processes the program will be run under. Norman secretly researches Gwen to learn all about her. He loathes a non pure line, but is willing to make a concession. They will need: The ability to create bodies, the ability to transfer consciousness to these bodies, and a way to store them long term w/ minimal decay. One team will focus on the bodies - lead by Warren and an assistant. Another will focus on the mental side - and be lead by Winkler. Winkler is aware of Stromm's research for transferring his consciousness to a computer, and will use that as a base for his version with organics and full personality. Norman has also tasked him with creation of a memory modification device as part of the process. It would be better if that modification, to the program's initial goal, were Winkler's responsibility. He'd do that, after ASM #40, once he detected Norman's detachment to the project. A way to make some easy money, on the side.
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Post by vixx on Jun 18, 2015 16:34:15 GMT
That works - Norman just gave the high level specs.. Winkler ran with it
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 18, 2015 17:21:33 GMT
Draft outline: Sometime after the accident in his lab, Norman and Warren start a cloning program - using Oscorp resources. Warren, a teacher and project lead, is looking to improve the world. Norman, is looking for ___ (cure his insanity, make money, clone his dead wife, clone Norman, etc.) Intital planning, based on theory, determines clones will have two major components - the bodies (hardware) and memories/personality (software) The exploratory testing (using Osborn's (clean or infected) DNA, Warren's & Joyce) does not go well - samples do not form and/or decay rapidly. They set test subject parameters, and Warren collects DNA samples from several students as part of an extra credit assignment. Gwen Stacy, a bright student that helps run the lab, submits a profile. Peter Parker does not. A new round of testing fails - except for one sample - Gwens. Warren has a theory for this. Warren shares the results with Norman, and they detail out the technologies and processes the program will be run under. Norman secretly researches Gwen to learn all about her. He loathes a non pure line, but is willing to make a concession. They will need: The ability to create bodies, the ability to transfer consciousness to these bodies, and a way to store them long term w/ minimal decay. One team will focus on the bodies - lead by Warren and an assistant. Another will focus on the mental side - and be lead by Winkler. Winkler is aware of Stromm's research for transferring his consciousness to a computer, and will use that as a base for his version with organics and full personality. Norman has also tasked him with creation of a memory modification device as part of the process. Based on the initial findings - there will be three phases: 1) successfully grow a clone from the successful sample 2) create a single strain clone from the unsuccessful sample and 3) create a hybrid strain of real Gwen DNA, cultured from the sample, and a cloned DNA from Norman, who is proving too volatile to clone as a single line at this time. Stage 4 will be a pure Norman clone - detailed only after the first 3 are successful, if limitations can be overcome. 1) Gwen sample? 2) You talk about an "unsuccessful sample", as if there were just one of those. And what's a "single strain clone"? 4) Wouldn't that one be "a single strain clone" too?
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Post by vixx on Jun 18, 2015 17:52:49 GMT
Draft outline: Sometime after the accident in his lab, Norman and Warren start a cloning program - using Oscorp resources. Warren, a teacher and project lead, is looking to improve the world. Norman, is looking for ___ (cure his insanity, make money, clone his dead wife, clone Norman, etc.) Intital planning, based on theory, determines clones will have two major components - the bodies (hardware) and memories/personality (software) The exploratory testing (using Osborn's (clean or infected) DNA, Warren's & Joyce) does not go well - samples do not form and/or decay rapidly. They set test subject parameters, and Warren collects DNA samples from several students as part of an extra credit assignment. Gwen Stacy, a bright student that helps run the lab, submits a profile. Peter Parker does not. A new round of testing fails - except for one sample - Gwens. Warren has a theory for this. Warren shares the results with Norman, and they detail out the technologies and processes the program will be run under. Norman secretly researches Gwen to learn all about her. He loathes a non pure line, but is willing to make a concession. They will need: The ability to create bodies, the ability to transfer consciousness to these bodies, and a way to store them long term w/ minimal decay. One team will focus on the bodies - lead by Warren and an assistant. Another will focus on the mental side - and be lead by Winkler. Winkler is aware of Stromm's research for transferring his consciousness to a computer, and will use that as a base for his version with organics and full personality. Norman has also tasked him with creation of a memory modification device as part of the process. Based on the initial findings - there will be three phases: 1) successfully grow a clone from the successful sample 2) create a single strain clone from the unsuccessful sample and 3) create a hybrid strain of real Gwen DNA, cultured from the sample, and a cloned DNA from Norman, who is proving too volatile to clone as a single line at this time. Stage 4 will be a pure Norman clone - detailed only after the first 3 are successful, if limitations can be overcome. 1) Gwen sample? 2) You talk about an "unsuccessful sample", as if there were just one of those. And what's a "single strain clone"? 4) Wouldn't that one be "a single strain clone" too? Gwen's DNA sample - they can keep growing it in the lab from the original sample, until they get to the advanced memory part - then they would need heaps of the stuff there are 5 unsuccessful samples - they'd pick one (warrens) and focus on that. He's a good choice because they can compare it to the original whose standing right and have access to his consiousness. Winkler could be cloned too if you'd like. Getting Warren right, at this stage, is a lot harder than getting Gwen right. They'd basically look at her sample, then reverse engineer it to move the Warren close ahead...so his production schedule is about 10 to 20% behind her. The other 4 would be easy once they get through Warren...and they probally were cloned at some point, they just aren't the focus. Single strain clone is one grown from a single DNA source, none of them are pure, they all share very small common base just to survive the process (which comes from Gwen and others - whomever has the best "desireable" traits) - which is harder than creating a hybrid, which could be a mashup of 10 donors, and look like none of them. They talk about that in the books - the slight differences between the original and the copy. You figure you bind the DNA sample to something that makes it resilient and has a blueprint...then start the process. The only hybrid is Norman - who can't be cloned. Warren knows there is more to it, but Norman's not being forthcoming. They have to keep adding in more Gwen, their most resilient control source, to move the process along to completion - eventually getting to a 50/50 Gwen/Norman clone. Warren and Norman would fight about this balance. Once that is done, they can reverse engineer out most of the Gwen DNA and replace it with pre-goblin Norman DNA from an earlier sample. The only Gwen stuff left is absolutley vital to stability (1 to 2%, and not really even Gwen at that point - more like a basket of markers). A result of her being "superior" cloning stock and Norman losing whatever the factor that makes your clone stable through becoming the Goblin....essentially, the Goblin factor killed the trait off in Norman, and every other sample they tried splicing in, except Gwen...and they ended up needing a LOT of her to pull it off. She'd also be the likely choice, because they completed her clone already, which acts as the control. The old NASA saying of 2 is 1, 1 is none - is why they have 2 clones. A male dominant and a female dominant. They are really just trying to get something that works, and Norman's DNA is fighting them every step of the way. Which is why despite having advanced enough to have clone wars - Norman is still, as best, a recently completed perfect body with no brain. Actually doing it this way makes a lot more sense...as I doubt he'd even be able to father kids if he as screwed up as he is made out to be.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 18, 2015 19:19:57 GMT
1) Gwen sample? 2) You talk about an "unsuccessful sample", as if there were just one of those. And what's a "single strain clone"? 4) Wouldn't that one be "a single strain clone" too? Gwen's DNA sample - they can keep growing it in the lab from the original sample, until they get to the advanced memory part - then they would need heaps of the stuff there are 5 unsuccessful samples - they'd pick one (warrens) and focus on that. He's a good choice because they can compare it to the original whose standing right and have access to his consiousness. Winkler could be cloned too if you'd like. Getting Warren right, at this stage, is a lot harder than getting Gwen right. They'd basically look at her sample, then reverse engineer it to move the Warren close ahead...so his production schedule is about 10 to 20% behind her. The other 4 would be easy once they get through Warren...and they probally were cloned at some point, they just aren't the focus. Single strain clone is one grown from a single DNA source, none of them are pure, they all share very small common base just to survive the process (which comes from Gwen and others - whomever has the best "desireable" traits) - which is harder than creating a hybrid, which could be a mashup of 10 donors, and look like none of them. They talk about that in the books - the slight differences between the original and the copy. You figure you bind the DNA sample to something that makes it resilient and has a blueprint...then start the process. The only hybrid is Norman - who can't be cloned. Warren knows there is more to it, but Norman's not being forthcoming. They have to keep adding in more Gwen, their most resilient control source, to move the process along to completion - eventually getting to a 50/50 Gwen/Norman clone. Warren and Norman would fight about this balance. Once that is done, they can reverse engineer out most of the Gwen DNA and replace it with pre-goblin Norman DNA from an earlier sample. The only Gwen stuff left is absolutley vital to stability (1 to 2%, and not really even Gwen at that point - more like a basket of markers). A result of her being "superior" cloning stock and Norman losing whatever the factor that makes your clone stable through becoming the Goblin....essentially, the Goblin factor killed the trait off in Norman, and every other sample they tried splicing in, except Gwen...and they ended up needing a LOT of her to pull it off. She'd also be the likely choice, because they completed her clone already, which acts as the control. The old NASA saying of 2 is 1, 1 is none - is why they have 2 clones. A male dominant and a female dominant. They are really just trying to get something that works, and Norman's DNA is fighting them every step of the way. Which is why despite having advanced enough to have clone wars - Norman is still, as best, a recently completed perfect body with no brain. Actually doing it this way makes a lot more sense...as I doubt he'd even be able to father kids if he as screwed up as he is made out to be. In essence, it would be a question of overcoming different degrees of difficulty. Phase 1, would be the easiest one, Gwen. Phase 2, would be average difficulty. Phase 3, would be the hardest, Norman. I think it'd be best, to leave phase 3 out of their grasp. Can you imagine if we started having Norman clones? Phase 2 could be ready, at any given moment between ASM #98 and ASM #121. Phase 1 should be finished before ASM #66, so that the GG could have a new use, for the first Gwen clone. It would still be a young body, so he's far from being able to use it, but he could finally give this project, which had just been going trough the motions since ASM #40, a purpose.
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Post by vixx on Jun 18, 2015 19:28:43 GMT
Gwen's DNA sample - they can keep growing it in the lab from the original sample, until they get to the advanced memory part - then they would need heaps of the stuff there are 5 unsuccessful samples - they'd pick one (warrens) and focus on that. He's a good choice because they can compare it to the original whose standing right and have access to his consiousness. Winkler could be cloned too if you'd like. Getting Warren right, at this stage, is a lot harder than getting Gwen right. They'd basically look at her sample, then reverse engineer it to move the Warren close ahead...so his production schedule is about 10 to 20% behind her. The other 4 would be easy once they get through Warren...and they probally were cloned at some point, they just aren't the focus. Single strain clone is one grown from a single DNA source, none of them are pure, they all share very small common base just to survive the process (which comes from Gwen and others - whomever has the best "desireable" traits) - which is harder than creating a hybrid, which could be a mashup of 10 donors, and look like none of them. They talk about that in the books - the slight differences between the original and the copy. You figure you bind the DNA sample to something that makes it resilient and has a blueprint...then start the process. The only hybrid is Norman - who can't be cloned. Warren knows there is more to it, but Norman's not being forthcoming. They have to keep adding in more Gwen, their most resilient control source, to move the process along to completion - eventually getting to a 50/50 Gwen/Norman clone. Warren and Norman would fight about this balance. Once that is done, they can reverse engineer out most of the Gwen DNA and replace it with pre-goblin Norman DNA from an earlier sample. The only Gwen stuff left is absolutley vital to stability (1 to 2%, and not really even Gwen at that point - more like a basket of markers). A result of her being "superior" cloning stock and Norman losing whatever the factor that makes your clone stable through becoming the Goblin....essentially, the Goblin factor killed the trait off in Norman, and every other sample they tried splicing in, except Gwen...and they ended up needing a LOT of her to pull it off. She'd also be the likely choice, because they completed her clone already, which acts as the control. The old NASA saying of 2 is 1, 1 is none - is why they have 2 clones. A male dominant and a female dominant. They are really just trying to get something that works, and Norman's DNA is fighting them every step of the way. Which is why despite having advanced enough to have clone wars - Norman is still, as best, a recently completed perfect body with no brain. Actually doing it this way makes a lot more sense...as I doubt he'd even be able to father kids if he as screwed up as he is made out to be. In essence, it would be a question of overcoming different degrees of difficulty. Phase 1, would be the easiest one, Gwen. Phase 2, would be average difficulty. Phase 3, would be the hardest, Norman. I think it'd be best, to leave phase 3 out of their grasp. Can you imagine if we started having Norman clones? Phase 2 could be ready, at any given moment between ASM #98 and ASM #121. Phase 1 should be finished before ASM #66, so that the GG could have a new use, for the first Gwen clone. It would still be a young body, so he's far from being able to use it, but he could finally give this project, which had just been going trough the motions since ASM #40, a purpose. We are saying the same thing, you are just saying it better Phase 1 - Gwen phase 2 - everyone else, except Norman phase 3 twins phase 4 Norman ( no details) Can combine 1/2 - had these both wrapping up by 66 3 is ready when needed Phase 4 - if still active , happens after 122, sometime - no details given
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 18, 2015 22:39:40 GMT
Draft outline: Sometime after the accident in his lab, Norman and Warren start a cloning program - using Oscorp resources. Warren, a teacher and project lead, is looking to improve the world. Norman, is looking for ___ (cure his insanity, make money, clone his dead wife, clone Norman, etc.) Intital planning, based on theory, determines clones will have two major components - the bodies (hardware) and memories/personality (software) The exploratory testing (using Osborn's (clean or infected) DNA, Warren's & Joyce) does not go well - samples do not form and/or decay rapidly. They set test subject parameters, and Warren collects DNA samples from several students as part of an extra credit assignment. Gwen Stacy, a bright student that helps run the lab, submits a profile. Peter Parker does not. A new round of testing fails - except for one sample - Gwens. Warren has a theory for this. Warren shares the results with Norman, and they detail out the technologies and processes the program will be run under. Norman secretly researches Gwen to learn all about her. He loathes a non pure line, but is willing to make a concession. They will need: The ability to create bodies, the ability to transfer consciousness to these bodies, and a way to store them long term w/ minimal decay. One team will focus on the bodies - lead by Warren and an assistant. Another will focus on the mental side - and be lead by Winkler. Winkler is aware of Stromm's research for transferring his consciousness to a computer, and will use that as a base for his version with organics and full personality. Norman has also tasked him with creation of a memory modification device as part of the process. Based on the initial findings - there will be three phases: 1) successfully grow a clone from the successful sample 2) create a single strain clone from the unsuccessful sample and 3) create a hybrid strain of Gwen DNA, cultured from the sample, and a DNA from Norman, who is proving too volatile to clone as a single line at this time. Stage 4 will be a pure Norman clone - detailed only after the first 3 are successful, if limitations can be overcome. Phase one progresses quickly through animal testing, and after repeated attempts - culminates in a perfect replica body being created. It shows no signs of the disintegration encountered on the others - and remains to be studied. Phase 2 is running concurrently, and significant progress has been made. Phase 3 is proving more difficult, as Osborn's DNA is different. Discussions with Norman have provided some answers, but not to Warren's satisfaction and they have argued over how much "external" DNA will be required to create stable hybrids. The mind team has progressed quickly - building a working prototype of the memory control device which will transfer consciousness from a computer to the clone. It can work independently of an organic source. It's slow, difficult work. An incident happens with Winkler, and he is killed, the team relocated. Around this time a pair of 50/50 hybrid clones are completed, and monitored. Instructions are given by Norman to send them to Europe to the new mental team.. After Winkler's death, in ASM #61, his team isn't immediately relocated. Norman leaves everything in place, and just orders the machine repairs. In ASM #66, the GG decides he can't wait for the initial plan to reach fruition. The delays still waiting ahead, before Warren can provide a Norman clone are too much for him. He's anxious, frustrated with Warren's progress, furious because of Winkler's betrayal, and simply obsessed with Peter. He scraps the official projects, brainwashes Warren (who wasn't just going to let go), and moves the brainwasher machine to the cloning lab. Only "Joyce" keeps a log of it all.
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