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Post by Ozymandias on Oct 17, 2015 17:26:16 GMT
It looks like I was partially wrong, in assuming Secret Wars 2099, to be an isolated series. At least one character survives (other than Miguel), which may indicate it was the real McCoy, the one we saw there. We'll have to play wait and see.
As one new character enters, another one seems to make a final exit, in the last page. Do I dare hope for a funeral here?
Oh, for those wondering when Miguel had a change of heart about his superhero career, as well as how he replaced Liz with Peter, as an employer, both things happened in the last first issue of Amazing.
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Post by Ozymandias on Oct 29, 2015 15:26:15 GMT
Hopes were well founded: {get out the champagne}Tempest's dead! So Peter's a psychic? Why does that ring a bell? Who knows, maybe PAD reads forums. The only complain I can substantiate about this issue, is that the new villain is presented as an old one, via Dr. Doom's retcon. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 11, 2015 20:51:37 GMT
"No rest for the wicked", comes to mind towards the end of the issue. Up to that, we get a long fight with a cliched resolution, and Miguel dishing Peter, yet again. There's only a couple of good moments in what's easily the weakest installment since the relaunch. Also, two comics per month are probably more than Sliney can take…  When the reader has trouble figuring out if the character is facing forward or backwards, you know you have a serious problem. |
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Post by spiderman62 on Nov 15, 2015 14:33:48 GMT
I like the art work but I do have to agree that it's not the strongest instalment since the relaunch.
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 15, 2015 22:36:56 GMT
You up to date, then?
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Post by spiderman62 on Nov 25, 2015 20:03:43 GMT
I've read up to issue 2
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Post by Ozymandias on Dec 20, 2015 19:13:16 GMT
With issue four, we return to a scenario populated with 2099 characters, although most of the action takes place in the present. The series clearly benefits from this, as usual, and it's particularly interesting to see the two characters stranded in the present, wanting to go back/restore a future that's different in each case. This is the main attraction for me, right now, and poses a stark contrast to the Tempest lead plot.
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Post by Ozymandias on Feb 13, 2016 13:40:48 GMT
Now, wait a minute. Is Peter David criticizing the direction Marvel has taken Spider-Man on, for the past 10+ years?
Ouch!
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Post by spiderman62 on Feb 13, 2016 14:41:15 GMT
If he is that's quite a bold move to make against his employers... I didn't mind him joining the Avengers, even though most of the time he was just wallpaper and/or just the comic relief character at times. I had more of a problem with OMD and OMIT, but even than I managed to enjoy majority of the stuff up-to-issue 700. After that, even after Superior ended and the initial euphoria I felt when Peter was back the book has felt flat to me. Frankly, IMO, Slott should've left after Superior. But since he hasn't, apparently he's staying until at LEAST 2017. I don't think it helps that all of Peter's classic supporting characters are not with him in China. MJ is in IIM, Aunt May is apparently in Howard the Duck and in ASM she and her husband are off in Africa. Betty and Glory, I haven't seen them for a while. J.Jonah Jameson is in Silk, Robbie I haven't seen for a few years now. I think the last time I saw him was in Spider-Island. The only real supporting character that is remotely memorable right now is Anna Marie and the Living Brain but even then they were Doc Ock's supporting characters first and in the case of Living Brain, is probably just a prop in order to help bring him back physically. Main villains: Green Goblin, Norman Osborn is some faceless guy now and we don't know where he is exactly I don't think. Silk has the Goblin Nation. I know Rhino and Lizard have featured but they've yet to do anything. There's been no Mysterio, Venom is a good guy now, Carnage is of doing his own thing LOL. The only bad guy so far that I've liked since Peter came back has been Mr. Negative. The Spider-Verse ended up being a complete mess IMO, the only thing I've liked that's come out of that has been the solo books for Spider-Gwen and Silk. Web Warriors I'm so-so about right now. Same with Spider-Man 2099. So...I guess I kinda agree with Peter David if that is his view  definitely agree with Miguel at the very least Sorry for the rant. Did not think that would turn into one |
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Post by Ozymandias on Feb 13, 2016 19:51:51 GMT
If he is that's quite a bold move to make against his employers… With such a long standing career behind, I'm sure he feels safe. Whether he is or not, only time will tell  I didn't mind him joining the Avengers, even though most of the time he was just wallpaper and/or just the comic relief character at times. I had more of a problem with OMD and OMIT, but even than I managed to enjoy majority of the stuff up-to-issue 700. Same thing here, although both directions for the character (Avengers and OMD) were initiated in a very short span of time. Is in that sense in particular, that I find Bendis' decision regrettable. After that, even after Superior ended and the initial euphoria I felt when Peter was back the book has felt flat to me. Frankly, IMO, Slott should've left after Superior. But since he hasn't, apparently he's staying until at LEAST 2017. Absolutely. One more year of Slott = OMY without Peter. I don't think it helps that all of Peter's classic supporting characters are not with him in China. MJ is in IIM, Aunt May is apparently in Howard the Duck and in ASM she and her husband are off in Africa. Betty and Glory, I haven't seen them for a while. J.Jonah Jameson is in Silk, Robbie I haven't seen for a few years now. I think the last time I saw him was in Spider-Island. That's a topic deserving of it's own thread. The only real supporting character that is remotely memorable right now is Anna Marie and the Living Brain but even then they were Doc Ock's supporting characters first and in the case of Living Brain, is probably just a prop in order to help bring him back physically. As I've said before, this is the only plot left in Slott's arsenal that might reignite my interest. Main villains: Green Goblin, Norman Osborn is some faceless guy now and we don't know where he is exactly I don't think. Silk has the Goblin Nation. I know Rhino and Lizard have featured but they've yet to do anything. There's been no Mysterio, Venom is a good guy now, Carnage is of doing his own thing LOL. I can't think of a new villain introduced by Slott, worth mentioning, or a re-interpretation of an old one, for that matter. The only bad guy so far that I've liked since Peter came back has been Mr. Negative. The Spider-Verse ended up being a complete mess IMO, the only thing I've liked that's come out of that has been the solo books for Spider-Gwen and Silk. Web Warriors I'm so-so about right now. Same with Spider-Man 2099. You're too kind. So...I guess I kinda agree with Peter David if that is his view definitely agree with Miguel at the very least Sorry for the rant. Did not think that would turn into one I didn't, but as yu can see, I don't mind it.  |
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Post by spiderman62 on Feb 13, 2016 23:12:56 GMT
Yeah, I guess he's at the point were it's like ''I've had a lot of work and I'm not involved in any of the major stuff anyway so I may as well'' LOL
Shame him joining the Avengers just happened to happen around OMD time, whether Bendis was aware of the plans I don't know. I'd assume so but as I say I don't know for sure.
Well, I'll be putting up with Slott's writing Peter until he's off the book. Since it's ASM LOL. I am more than ready for him to leave.
LOL Fair enough about the supporting characters and topic LOL
Depending on how he revives Doc Ock (I've heard rumours that he's going to use a Peter Parker clone and become Superior Spider-Man again...)
Well, I do think Mr. Negative was the best villain created post-OMD and he's certainly more interesting to me than the damn Zodiac LOL
But yeah, anyways. Hopefully Slott will leave earlier than expected, though I doubt it LOL.
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Post by Ozymandias on Feb 14, 2016 15:56:04 GMT
Also talking out of ignorance on the matter, Bendis was probably unconnected to OMD, but the thing that matters is that both developments took the character somewhere… different. Saying that someone's the best post-OMD villain isn't saying that much, that's my point  |
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Post by spiderman62 on Feb 14, 2016 20:58:34 GMT
I don't mind them taking Spider-Man somewhere different. It depends on what it is and the execution for me. For example, I didn't mind him working on Horizon Labs but I do have a problem with Parker Industries because it was largely on the back of Doc Ock's initial work while he had control of Peter's body.
Well...I think Freeaaakk could've been interesting but they had to drop him due to some legal stuff I think, that guy with the vehicles thing could've been good comic relief if they kept using him more, White Rabbit could've been the new crime boss but Slott ended up using Black Cat LOL. Paperdoll could've been great as a creepy stalker type villain.
But sadly yes, they did waste the opportunity, for the most part, to create new and interesting villains for Peter. And they haven't done too much with the majority of the existing ones either.
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Post by Ozymandias on Feb 15, 2016 16:18:07 GMT
I wouldn't say it's just about the execution, you also need to remember what makes a character thick. Changing the circumstances is ok, as long as you do it well, but if you change something that affects the core of the character, you're taking a huge risk.
The problem with P.I. isn't just that it was SpOck who founded it, but it was financed by JJJ sr. (a character I suspect, was only invented to have married Aunt May) and after Secret Wars, it has grow to multinational proportions, without much of an explanation. BTW, I also found his incorporation to the H.L. staff, rather unbelievable.
There were some interesting concepts during BND, Freak was one, I loved how Osborn was using him, Paper Doll was another; but they never surpassed the concept stage, they never became fully fledged characters. White Rabbit is a very old character created for MTU, as a clear comic relief, I never took it seriously. As for Overdrive, not even Spencer was able to extract much juice from him.
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Post by spiderman62 on Feb 20, 2016 17:51:50 GMT
''What makes a character thick But yeah anyway, I do think they could've done more with the characters they initially started to use in BND but for whatever reason faded out, with the exception of Mr. Negative it seems. I also find it funny that one of the reasons they gave to justify OMD was that the supporting cast was going to come back into it more and yet for the most part I haven't seen them much for a few years. |
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definitely agree with Miguel at the very least 
