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Post by Ozymandias on Feb 10, 2015 12:23:32 GMT
What is a classic comic? Several theories abound, but I like the one that points out to the ultimatum issued For me, a classic Spider-Man comic should be one, from before October 1991, when ASM #350 "ended" Micheline's long run, on the main title.
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Post by spiderman62 on Feb 17, 2015 12:48:54 GMT
Well with me growing up as a fan of the marriage I'd say anything pre OMD for me personally.
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 1, 2015 22:44:35 GMT
Well with me growing up as a fan of the marriage I'd say anything pre OMD for me personally. Stracinsky's run was so good, that I can understand why others would choose to include it, in any definition of "classic", regarding Spider-Man. The problem is, IMO, that in order to do so, you also have to accept the 90's, which were a mess in every sense.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Mar 13, 2015 20:23:17 GMT
I haven't read a lot of it but my gut tells me the natural end of Peter's story is Peter marrying MJ, facing Venom and getting back into the classic costume. So #300 would be my personal mark of when the classics end, just based on a very broad generalization.
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 13, 2015 20:36:37 GMT
I haven't read a lot of it but my gut tells me the natural end of Peter's story is Peter marrying MJ, facing Venom and getting back into the classic costume. So #300 would be my personal mark of when the classics end, just based on a very broad generalization. I still find hard to believe, that you'll be able to resist finishing the Micheline run. Along with MacFarlane, he redesigned several of the old Ditko villains: The Chameleon, The Lizard, Mysterio… I only went up to ASM #325, both originally and rereading, so it isn't mandatory to read all the classic material, of course.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Mar 13, 2015 21:43:35 GMT
I haven't read a lot of it but my gut tells me the natural end of Peter's story is Peter marrying MJ, facing Venom and getting back into the classic costume. So #300 would be my personal mark of when the classics end, just based on a very broad generalization. I still find hard to believe, that you'll be able to resist finishing the Micheline run. Along with MacFarlane, he redesigned several of the old Ditko villains: The Chameleon, The Lizard, Mysterio… I only went up to ASM #325, both originally and rereading, so it isn't mandatory to read all the classic material, of course. I'm just not very into McFarlane's art, especially after he started inking himself. But I'll definitely finish it, getting to that point is just my biggest goal. My longterm goal is to read and review every issue of Amazing. I'm reading them faster than they're putting them out so I'll get there someday.
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 13, 2015 23:07:47 GMT
I still find hard to believe, that you'll be able to resist finishing the Micheline run. Along with MacFarlane, he redesigned several of the old Ditko villains: The Chameleon, The Lizard, Mysterio… I only went up to ASM #325, both originally and rereading, so it isn't mandatory to read all the classic material, of course. I'm just not very into McFarlane's art, especially after he started inking himself. But I'll definitely finish it, getting to that point is just my biggest goal. My longterm goal is to read and review every issue of Amazing. I'm reading them faster than they're putting them out so I'll get there someday. I'm ambivalent about his art. At the time he was a refreshing change, which wasn't difficult, considering that his most recent predecessors in ASM (Harris, Kupperberg, a very green Larsen, Saviuk…) set the bar rather low. That said, the novelty quickly wore off, specially aided by Micheline's plots, who holds the dubious merit of ending the classic era, for the character.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Mar 13, 2015 23:14:29 GMT
I'm just not very into McFarlane's art, especially after he started inking himself. But I'll definitely finish it, getting to that point is just my biggest goal. My longterm goal is to read and review every issue of Amazing. I'm reading them faster than they're putting them out so I'll get there someday. I'm ambivalent about his art. At the time he was a refreshing change, which wasn't difficult, considering that his most recent predecessors in ASM (Harris, Kupperberg, a very green Larsen, Saviuk…) set the bar rather low. That said, the novelty quickly wore off, specially aided by Micheline's plots, who holds the dubious merit of ending the classic era, for the character. I think McFarlane's pencils were alright but his inks went way overboard. Hulk #340 was practically unreadable to me despite being a "classic" issue just because he had put senseless lines everywhere. I forget which Hulk issue he inked first but I remember the transition being very abrupt and negative. What I've seen of his Spidey stuff is the same. I much prefer Bagley when it comes to Spidey's 90s aesthetic.
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 14, 2015 10:33:11 GMT
I think McFarlane's pencils were alright but his inks went way overboard. Who would you favor as an inker for him, then? I don't recall McLeod or Rubinstein, doing a particularly good job.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Mar 14, 2015 16:47:32 GMT
I think McFarlane's pencils were alright but his inks went way overboard. Who would you favor as an inker for him, then? I don't recall McLeod or Rubinstein, doing a particularly good job. I dunno. Danny Miki comes to mind first because he's Greg Capullo's inker and he has a real clean line. Maybe Toddy's best inker would be himself with his inkwell half empty?
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Post by spiderman62 on Mar 24, 2015 19:58:54 GMT
Well with me growing up as a fan of the marriage I'd say anything pre OMD for me personally. Stracinsky's run was so good, that I can understand why others would choose to include it, in any definition of "classic", regarding Spider-Man. The problem is, IMO, that in order to do so, you also have to accept the 90's, which were a mess in every sense. LOL Well I grew up in the 90s so I was used to the marriage, which is probably a major reason why I liked JMS's run so much.
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Post by vixx on Jun 9, 2015 8:18:06 GMT
Think Carnage (361) was the official shark jump for me... although you could see hints of them building ramps and straping fonz onto his skis as early as the 320s...
The venom origin story was fantastic, among the best ever IMO... MJ getting kidnapped was a good concept...
But the marketing department turned Venom into a joke pretty quickly. He should have been a serious badass.. a Doomsday/Bane type...but he wound up more like Freddy Krugger around the 6th movie...
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 9, 2015 10:03:52 GMT
About that time, there seems to be a consensus, so far. Even crazyoldhermit could be included, among the ones voting for our option, even though he didn't. That would be 3 out of 4 votes.
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