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Post by spiderman62 on Dec 18, 2014 19:00:59 GMT
The man child thing I could live with as long as they had Spider-Man be ''Amazing'' in his own book even when a guest star is in it lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 10:42:03 GMT
From what I've read about interviews, not the interviews themselves, keeping the character that way is pretty much an editorial mandate. I doubt a new writer would be granted permission to change that, not as long as they're happy with sales. Yeah but as far as i know the reason its selling is because of name not the way he acts you could turn peter reasonable serious and still sell pretty well, Spider-Man is known for fighting crime, Parker luck and quips. Doesnt mean that every supporting character that gets growth needs to be better than him The man child thing I could live with as long as they had Spider-Man be ''Amazing'' in his own book even when a guest star is in it lol. Thats where we will disagree spidey62 i don't know if i can live with the man child thing after all Marvel has just given him his own company i would think he needs to grow up a bit. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Jan 5, 2015 14:40:54 GMT
From what I've read about interviews, not the interviews themselves, keeping the character that way is pretty much an editorial mandate. I doubt a new writer would be granted permission to change that, not as long as they're happy with sales. Yeah but as far as i know the reason its selling is because of name not the way he acts you could turn peter reasonable serious and still sell pretty well, Spider-Man is known for fighting crime, Parker luck and quips. Doesnt mean that every supporting character that gets growth needs to be better than him It's really sad, but you're right and yet, it doesn't matter. Some explanation about that seems to be in order. Spider-Man is Marvel's #1 franchise, you know it, I know it, and even they, know it. This means the character will sell, on its own, a fair number of comics per month. You CAN change things, and sales will still remain between acceptable boundaries; the problem is that, sometimes, they change things and THEN sales get below that acceptable level. Only in those circumstances will they hire talent that can repair the damage. For example, they changed many things in the 90's, and those changes were brought on, by lackluster creators. When sales got dangerously low, they decided to bring in the big guns (JMS). Since then, the character has been in less capable hands, BUT as long as they deem sales to be acceptable, the direction of the comic won't improve because they won't hire real talent. And you need a good creator, to defend the kind of changes you mention, others seem to lack the integrity or vision for it. |
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Post by spiderman62 on Jan 10, 2015 16:24:57 GMT
The man child thing I could live with as long as they had Spider-Man be ''Amazing'' in his own book even when a guest star is in it lol. Thats where we will disagree spidey62 i don't know if i can live with the man child thing after all Marvel has just given him his own company i would think he needs to grow up a bit. I was thinking pre-dominantly in other titles to be honest. But I do agree that he needs to grow up a bit especially since he's supposed to be 25 (or was it 28 lol?). But for some reason they seem to want to write him as if he's a teenager or a young man. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Jan 10, 2015 22:39:00 GMT
I had a discussion with Thomas at the old CBR, about the age of the character trough the years. We reached an agreement, about him being about 23 at the end of the Stern run. Considering recent data puts him at 28, that's 5 years out of 30, not a bad track record, skipping 25 birthdays.
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Post by spiderman62 on Jan 11, 2015 13:28:57 GMT
If only we could all skip 25 birthdays eh?  |
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Post by Ozymandias on Jan 11, 2015 19:24:06 GMT
That wouldn't solve the problem, because everything is relative. If we lived a thousand years, the characters would still age much more slowly.  |
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Post by spiderman62 on Jan 11, 2015 21:27:28 GMT
What if we were immortal?
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Post by Ozymandias on Jan 12, 2015 9:28:59 GMT
Yeah, that would do the trick.
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Post by spiderman62 on Jan 12, 2015 14:16:38 GMT
So all we have to do is be immortal. That should be easy enough right? Kidding of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 8:38:03 GMT
Guys i wouldn't want to be immortal if it means i'm stuck with a character i'm losing faith in.
Thats how bad it is i'm losing faith that we will never have good growth, i mean he's an avenger, business owner and debateable a father and he acts like hes 16 at times. The problem with sales sucks if this is meant to be one of their flagships would it not be wiser to get the talent on it, if its consantly selling but dipping down should that not tell marvel they are losing fans.
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Post by spiderman62 on Jan 13, 2015 13:41:01 GMT
The problem isn't the character it's the people at Marvel who keep writing him as a 16 year old in a 28 year old's body, as soon as Marvel stop doing that he'll be fine. Problem is though I doubt we'll ever get Peter ''acting his age'' so too speak, plus he never says ''great power great responsibility'' anymore lol.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jan 13, 2015 17:46:34 GMT
Guys i wouldn't want to be immortal if it means i'm stuck with a character i'm losing faith in. Thats how bad it is i'm losing faith that we will never have good growth, i mean he's an avenger, business owner and debateable a father and he acts like hes 16 at times. The problem with sales sucks if this is meant to be one of their flagships would it not be wiser to get the talent on it, if its constantly selling but dipping down should that not tell marvel they are losing fans. Welcome to the club, I lost faith in that a log time ago. Most you can expect, is some good stories from time to time. Any sense of direction was partially lost at the end of the 60's, and totally lost in the 90's. (Except for the carte blanche JMS was given). I don't agree with the better selling character, benefiting more from talent than others. In fact, they only do that when it's at its lowest, because most people still buy it. Talent is better hired for those titles which would get less attention otherwise. I'm talking from a totally business POV. The problem isn't the character it's the people at Marvel who keep writing him as a 16 year old in a 28 year old's body, as soon as Marvel stop doing that he'll be fine. Problem is though I doubt we'll ever get Peter ''acting his age'' so too speak, plus he never says ''great power great responsibility'' anymore lol. He doesn't? It must be because he's had a plethora of Spider-Men to do it for him, lately. |
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Post by spiderman62 on Jan 13, 2015 21:44:33 GMT
The problem isn't the character it's the people at Marvel who keep writing him as a 16 year old in a 28 year old's body, as soon as Marvel stop doing that he'll be fine. Problem is though I doubt we'll ever get Peter ''acting his age'' so too speak, plus he never says ''great power great responsibility'' anymore lol. He doesn't? It must be because he's had a plethora of Spider-Men to do it for him, lately. I meant under Slott's penmanship lol Sorry but I've lost a bit of faith in Slott as far as ASM is concerned and I feel ready for a new writer to take over so I'm probably being a bit harsh. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 10:30:16 GMT
Guys i wouldn't want to be immortal if it means i'm stuck with a character i'm losing faith in. Thats how bad it is i'm losing faith that we will never have good growth, i mean he's an avenger, business owner and debateable a father and he acts like hes 16 at times. The problem with sales sucks if this is meant to be one of their flagships would it not be wiser to get the talent on it, if its constantly selling but dipping down should that not tell marvel they are losing fans. Welcome to the club, I lost faith in that a log time ago. Most you can expect, is some good stories from time to time. Any sense of direction was partially lost at the end of the 60's, and totally lost in the 90's. (Except for the carte blanche JMS was given). I don't agree with the better selling character, benefiting more from talent than others. In fact, they only do that when it's at its lowest, because most people still buy it. Talent is better hired for those titles which would get less attention otherwise. I'm talking from a totally business POV. The problem isn't the character it's the people at Marvel who keep writing him as a 16 year old in a 28 year old's body, as soon as Marvel stop doing that he'll be fine. Problem is though I doubt we'll ever get Peter ''acting his age'' so too speak, plus he never says ''great power great responsibility'' anymore lol. He doesn't? It must be because he's had a plethora of Spider-Men to do it for him, lately. I think you both bring up interesting points however i just want direction and growth if marvel ever reboot and they may one day, when i say reboot i mean wipe everything out and start from the begining them i'm out i mean it no more marvel. |
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