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Post by dav on Jun 9, 2014 20:01:51 GMT
Every time I read it, I remember the first time I laid eyes on Mr. Conway's gift to humanity. A hot summer day, like most around here, at our cottage. Not a happy memory, though. Yeah, It's really something! When people talk about the JFK assassination, it's the same thing. They remember where they were what they were doing, it's locked in their memories. Do you get any other associations with it like songs or anything like that?
For me, Capt. Stacy's death hit me hard too. I was actually on the verge of tears!
With Gwen, it didn't really hit home until #122 I was in denial for an entire month thinking "no, this has got to be some kind of ploy to sell comics! When #122 comes out they'll show it as some kind of mistake, that Peter just THOUGHT she was dead!" Then #122 came out and I felt sick to my stomach. They actually killed her. My god! I was just numb, as they say, dazed and confused.
Anybody else have any experiences they'd like to share?
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Post by dav on Jun 9, 2014 20:15:57 GMT
I'm reminded of another comic related event that hit me hard too. The pilot episode of the live action TV series "The Incredible Hulk" That last part where Banners girlfriend dies might have been a little bit of a Gwen flashback for me. Y'know, Lou Ferrigno may not have been a good actor, but he did a damn good job in that scene! It might have been a case of damn good directing, but either way, it was very dramatic!
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 9, 2014 20:23:09 GMT
That one I don't even remember. I know I watched it, also in summer, in the same place, but the only image of that show that comes to mind, is of Lou thrashing the lab, or some sort of cell.
Summers were quite silent there, except for a few hours of TV. I didn't even listen to the radio, so no associations for me,
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Post by dav on Jun 9, 2014 20:51:15 GMT
That one I don't even remember. I know I watched it, also in summer, in the same place, but the only image of that show that comes to mind, is of Lou thrashing the lab, or some sort of cell. Summers were quite silent there, except for a few hours of TV. I didn't even listen to the radio, so no associations for me, Does reading #121-122 evoke any songs for you? Pardon my persistence, but I find music to be a great emotional outlet, so I like to explore the effect of music on various experiences. Also I might find an emotional tie-in myself!
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 9, 2014 21:10:10 GMT
Sorry, but it was silent there.
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Post by dav on Jun 9, 2014 21:22:01 GMT
Sorry, but it was silent there. What about at other times? I'm sure you've read #121-122 more than once.
Or how about #251? After reading that story I think I have pretty good idea about why it is significant to you.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 9, 2014 21:36:26 GMT
None that I can think of. Nope.
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Post by dav on Jun 9, 2014 22:45:29 GMT
None that I can think of. Nope. Well maybe our brain processes are just different.
Anyway, So we got a good start on this idea. In retrospect I think a SMALL footnote would be a good idea with regards to the discoveries found in Norman's lair. Nothing too elaborate, but maybe something hinting that "Perhaps in another time, another place, things may not be what they seem..." and then leave it up to the reader's imagination, that way we can have a clean slate to proceed with this new timeline.
We still have to find a way of dealing with Goblin/Norman. I'm thinking that Peter has always been very good at fabricating ways to fix situations that might reveal his secret identity, like the way he did in #87. That he finds a way of destroying Norman's credibility, making him appear to be a pathological liar and/or mentally imbalanced (which he actually is) and leaves Peter clear of any concerns about his secret identity. First thing I see is that Norman is publically exposed as being the Green Goblin. It would be poetic justice that, after all the times he has held this over Peter's head, it should lead to his undoing. Now the entire world knows that he is a criminal mastermind and that nothing he says can or should be trusted. He is thrown in a maximum security prison that is designed to handle Super-villains as well as the criminally insane. Of course there would also have to be some way for Peter and Spidey to appear in the same place and time with Norman/Goblin and for Spidey to expose him with Peter looking on.
This is where I'm going to need some help. The person mimicking Spidey needs to be powerful enough to leave little doubt in anyone's mind that this is not an imposter, but he (or she) has to either protect Peter's secret or in some way can't suspect that Peter is Spidey, since in Norman's rantings and ravings he is sure to accuse Peter of being Spidey.
Anybody have any ideas?
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 10, 2014 9:14:54 GMT
I think a SMALL footnote would be a good idea with regards to the discoveries found in Norman's lair. We still have to find a way of dealing with Goblin/Norman. Something along the lines of Spider-Man thinking: "I don't know what you were trying to pull off here, Norman. But better luck in your next life."; then he trashes the place and burns it to the ground. Absolutely, just hoping that he'll forget for good this time, isn't good enough. My best guess, as to how he should act here, would be for him to bring Norman to the FF. There, with Richards, he could try and find a way, to make sure he doesn't remember anymore. Maybe Prof. X, or Dr. Strange, would come out of that conversation, as the solution.
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Post by dav on Jun 10, 2014 19:29:14 GMT
I think a SMALL footnote would be a good idea with regards to the discoveries found in Norman's lair. We still have to find a way of dealing with Goblin/Norman. Something along the lines of Spider-Man thinking: "I don't know what you were trying to pull off here, Norman. But better luck in your next life."; then he trashes the place and burns it to the ground. Absolutely, just hoping that he'll forget for good this time, isn't good enough. My best guess, as to how he should act here, would be for him to bring Norman to the FF. There, with Richards, he could try and find a way, to make sure he doesn't remember anymore. Maybe Prof. X, or Dr. Strange, would come out of that conversation, as the solution. First I don't appreciate how you edited my quote in a way that took it out of context. That's not a very ethical thing to do. Its the kind of thing that I saw in the CBR forum. I know you don't like SP, but to edit out the essence of what I was trying to say is just wrong.
Having said that, I do have the integrity to admit that I like your idea better than mine. In fact I would like to take it a step further: After seeing the discoveries in Norman's lair, Peter asks "what kind of sick, twisted project were you working on Norman?" Norman replies with a sinister, knowing smile "You'll find out in time, Parker!" Peter replies "No I won't because this ends right here and now!" and he trashes the place and destroys everything, vials, brainwashing machine, everything. Norman looks out in horror "No! You've ruined everything!" Peter replies "No, I've just saved the world from another of your insane projects! It's gone, Norman completely and utterly destroyed."
Now SP is completely crippled and can have no effect of Earth-4936.
Had you included the rest of my quote, and read it , I had outlined a plan, without any mystical or psychic intervention, to solve the Norman problem, keeping it as we were trying to pursue a less incredulous timeline. What I asked for was who could be used to act as a Spidey imposter to completely discredit Norman. How about some input in this area?
Ozy this obsession you have with eliminating SP is bordering on unhealthy. Through these ideas we have removed it from the equation. It is time to LET IT GO AND MOVE ON. Since SP has now been made irrelevant, I have no intention of engaging in any more discussion about it.
We need move on and work on a REALISTIC way to remove Norman as a threat, and then we can be done with ALL this; SP, Norman knowing Peter's secret identity, Goblin as an enemy, etc. THEN we can get to work on writing the comic that we would like to see.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 10, 2014 20:01:52 GMT
Editing quotes is done for a number of reason. First, for clarity. If you want to focus on one or two points, and answer them, having a full post, which may include more discussion points, makes it look less clean. Two, for aesthetics. The thread itself will look better if the entire posts aren't being quoted up to two times (that's the limit with proBoards). Those are the reasons why I do it. Others may have different reasons.
Can someone leave out part of your posts, to tinker with what you want to say? If someone has that intention, they are wasting their time, a quick look at the rest of the thread and you have the original post, so much for that.
And if you want to realistically end the GG problem, you should kill him. Other stratagems seem as doomed as the ones used in the past.
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Post by dav on Jun 10, 2014 20:50:03 GMT
Editing quotes is done for a number of reason. First, for clarity. If you want to focus on one or two points, and answer them, having a full post, which may include more discussion points, makes it look less clean. Two, for aesthetics. The thread itself will look better if the entire posts aren't being quoted up to two times (that's the limit with proBoards). Those are the reasons why I do it. Others may have different reasons. Can someone leave out part of your posts, to tinker with what you want to say? If someone has that intention, they are wasting their time, a quick look at the rest of the thread and you have the original post, so much for that. And if you want to realistically end the GG problem, you should kill him. Other stratagems seem as doomed as the ones used in the past. You can say what you want to but you edited my post in that way to avoid any inclusion of SP.
You know as well as I do that killing GG is against Peter's principles. That's why I spent a significant amount of time coming up with a solution but operating within that constraint.
MOVING ON. I need help coming up with a suitable imposter to pose as Spidey to destroy Norman's credibility. Put your energies into THAT rather than obsessing over a problem that has already been resolved.
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Post by dav on Jun 11, 2014 4:51:54 GMT
I was thinking about Spidey saving Gwen at the bridge. Having him save her by diving down is right out of What If #24 and I would prefer not to plagiarize anything in this new comic. I was thinking maybe he dives down after her AND snags her with his webbing. Since he is falling with her, there's no violent jerk to injure her. Then he pulls her toward him, grabs her and then shoots another web at the bridge, snags it and then swings them both to safety. It would be nice to put a little more excitement and complexity in this to REALLY give it some originality. Maybe Goblin comes down to attack while Peter is swinging them to safety and Peter drops Gwen in the water, at a SAFE height, say 10-15 feet, then damages Goblin's glider so he has to retreat. Then Peter goes back and pulls Gwen out of the water and takes her to the hospital.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 12:35:17 GMT
Hey guys sorry been busy at work the last couple of days, have to admit not the biggest fan of a rewrite from 1973 for various reasons a)haven't read that many so story wise i'm going in blind. b)For me Norman has to survive and remain the goblin, make him a bit more sadistic and have him keep his cards closer to the chest, thats my opinon anyway.
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Post by dav on Jun 11, 2014 17:20:26 GMT
Hey guys sorry been busy at work the last couple of days, have to admit not the biggest fan of a rewrite from 1973 for various reasons a)haven't read that many so story wise i'm going in blind. b)For me Norman has to survive and remain the goblin, make him a bit more sadistic and have him keep his cards closer to the chest, thats my opinon anyway. I get what you're saying. This is just another story idea to play around with. Give Marvel a bunch of options and they are more likely to choose one. Not a good idea to our eggs all in one basket!
If you've read what we have so far, Norman is still alive, just been neutralized as a threat...for now! Also he can no longer use his knowledge of Peter's identity against him like he did in What If #24. He will be locked away in prison for a long time, which with leave Peter safe to tell Gwen his secret identity (Although the issue of Capt. Stacy dying still has to be addressed. I'm going to have to go back and do a LOT of rereading, but there was a comic where after an investigation Spidey was exonerated with regards to the killing of Capt. Stacy, so THAT would be a good point for Peter to reveal his secret to Gwen. Also Sins Past has now been eliminated in this timeline, because it is suggested that Gabriel and Sarah were actually a result of in vitro fertilization, and NOT some affair between Gwen and Norman, and since the material in Norman's lair has been destroyed in this timeline, there will be no Gabriel or Sarah to deal with in the future - of THIS timeline.
Anyway, What I need help with is coming up with a suitable imposter for Spidey to make the story regarding destroying Norman's credibility possible. Any ideas?
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