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Post by spiderman62 on Jul 23, 2014 13:23:35 GMT
I'm sorry I mean Amazing SPIDER-Man!
Seriously though, we finally get to see Silk in full for the first time.
What do we think?
Personally I thought it was a promising debut, going to reserve judgement until we see more of her.
I'm not going to mention the ending incase someone hasn't had a chance to read it yet
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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 23, 2014 21:39:22 GMT
Hey man, spoiler alert!
I don't think they are necessary in the posts, if you enter a thread about a comic you haven't read, you're basically asking for trouble, right? But, what about the tittle of the thread?
Anyway, I'll get back to you on this, once I read the comic.
Edit:the title of the thread was changed afterwards.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 24, 2014 13:01:35 GMT
So we finally get to see Silk in full for the first time.
What do we think?
Personally I thought it was a promising debut, going to reserve judgement until we see more of her.
I'm not going to mention the ending incase someone hasn't had a chance to read it yet Has to do with a certain kiss Well, for starters, I'd say that the whole hide-her-face theatrics, feel particularly empty now. What was the point? As usual with Slott's scripts, there's a fair mix of goof and not so good moments. On the plus side, we have Percy's joke, on page 1, the scene to scene transition on pages 2-3, Spidey's explanations on page 3, secrets as a weapon, the timing of the kidnapping, Spidey's sloppiness in freeing Silk… But other elements are just not so good: Anna's new role, Spidey's unintended pun on page 2, panel 4, the emotional overreaction towards Ezekiel, the bride concept, Silk being more than a match for Spider-Man, the terrible joke about dressing himself in webs to save money, and above all, the fact that Cindy isn't a total nutcase after being in solitary for so long. Pros and cons weighted, I'd say this is one of many 5/10 from Slott.
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Post by spiderman62 on Jul 24, 2014 14:15:42 GMT
I'm sure we'll see more ''socially unaware'' moments from Cindy in the future (well hopefully anyway).
Humberto Ramos' work was better than usual in this issue. I too enjoyed Percy's joke, would've been better I felt if Parker had just said ''Yep, go with it''. I do like Cindy's character though, at least so far, but I will wait till she's been in a few more issues before I give a full judgement on whether I like the character or not. Thought it was a decent set-up for Spider-Verse as well.
As for his sloppiness in ''rescuing'' Cindy as he thought he was doing, yeah I kinda liked that.
I do think it was stupid to have him try to do the whole ''It's me! Not Doc Ock!'' thing during a fight scene, that was just pure dumbness as far as I'm concerned personally.
Anna Maria, although I have nothing against the character, just feels out of place in the book now that Peter is back in control of his body personally.
I gave it an 8 out of 10 on CBR - a mark that I posted about 10 minutes after reading the book - but now that it's been 24 hours since I read the book I'd say more of a 7 out of 10.
I still think it's the best issue since the relaunch, not saying much admittedly since the relaunch hasn't been awesome but still.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 24, 2014 14:45:33 GMT
I do think it was stupid to have him try to do the whole ''It's me! Not Doc Ock!'' thing during a fight scene, that was just pure dumbness as far as I'm concerned personally. Anna Maria, although I have nothing against the character, just feels out of place in the book now that Peter is back in control of his body personally. Of course it was dumb, that's "Kinda [his] thing", when it comes to being funny. At least under Slott's rein. I don't mind it particularly, as long as is actually funny, something he doesn't always accomplishes. And totally agree about Anna, if this is all he has in store for the character, I'd rather see her go. But I'm getting ahead of the story, only four issues so far.
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Post by spiderman62 on Jul 28, 2014 18:50:02 GMT
Yeah, it is early days of the relaunch, so hopefully he'll actually have something planned for Anna, rather than just having her there just so he'll have a girl to interact with because she seems a better character than that.
Still, looking forward to Spider-Verse, I like the idea (even though Marvel are overkilling the whole time and space thing at the minute lol) so hopefully it'll be good.
Also first Sajani gets bitten by Morbius, which sends Peter into a rage and leads to him beating the hell out of Morbius and now Sajani seems to have been kidnapped by Black Cat, so presumably Peter is going to lose it again and beat the hell out of Felicia? lol.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 30, 2014 21:02:48 GMT
Yeah, it is early days of the relaunch, so hopefully he'll actually have something planned for Anna, rather than just having her there just so he'll have a girl to interact with because she seems a better character than that. Still, looking forward to Spider-Verse, I like the idea (even though Marvel are overkilling the whole time and space thing at the minute lol) so hopefully it'll be good. Also first Sajani gets bitten by Morbius, which sends Peter into a rage and leads to him beating the hell out of Morbius and now Sajani seems to have been kidnapped by Black Cat, so presumably Peter is going to lose it again and beat the hell out of Felicia? lol. She definitely is a better character than that, and Slott proved he knew what he was doing with it in Superior. Now, the question remains, does he actually care about his creation, or was she just a plot device, to get Doc Ock to make the ultimate sacrifice?
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Post by spiderman62 on Jul 31, 2014 19:18:53 GMT
I'd hope he would've always it'd be a waste of a character who seems like she has potential.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 22:20:53 GMT
With regards to the angle that Peter and Cindy are sexually attracted to one another, I find this to be a larger problem with the character of Silk in general, and that is that she's yet another "chosen one." I admit this is my own personal bias, but I've become a little more down on characters who are depicted as being chosen by fate, destiny, prophecy, or mystical forces beyond their control which seem to have become so prevalent in popular fiction and entertainment now. That's because it gives the writer an excuse not to have the character drive the story based upon their own choices and semblance of "free will" but rather whatever "destiny" says they should do, and thus forces the characters to do whatever the plot demands regardless of whether or not it's true to who they should be as characters. And it's the same thing with Spidey and Silk's "romance." It's doesn't come from their own decision making but rather what their "spider-instincts" tell them they must do and because Cindy is chosen by those spider-totemic gods to be "the spider-bride."
Granted, Silk now being the "chosen one" instead of Peter does have the potential to get rid of one of JMS' more infamous dangling plot-threads. The idea that Peter was destined to become Spider-Man was as aspect about JMS' totem storyline I never really warmed up to. Granted, it was well-written and I did like how JMS tried to make it ambiguous and mysterious as possible (that is until "The Other: Evolve or Die" ruined it), but Spidey, in my view, in not a character who should be too closely associated with magic or the supernatural in the same vein as Dr. Strange or Ghost Rider. So, at the very least, Spidey not being the actual "spinner at the center of the web" alleviates that to some degree.
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Post by Ozymandias on Aug 20, 2014 8:36:14 GMT
Nothing to add to the first paragraph, as for the second one: - When talking about the Spider-Totem story, I only consider the "original" one, which ran from Coming Home to The Book Of Ezekiel. Latter revisitations are of little interest, because they seem to be afterthoughts, clearly added to profit from the story's initial success.
- My main problem with it, was the fact that I saw it as an Alan Moore's Swamp Thing rip-off. True, magic doesn't mix very well with Spidey, but as long as it was an option and didn't affect later stories, I was mostly ok with it. Obviously that wasn't the case, as they've come back to the concept several times. Not particularly happy about that.
- The possibility that Cindy might take Peter's place at the center of the "web", is little consolation. The fact that they're still spinning stories around this concept, is largely unwelcome.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 11:13:39 GMT
No Way in any shape or form would i be happy with Cindy taking Peter's place in the web.
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Post by Ozymandias on Aug 20, 2014 12:44:55 GMT
No Way in any shape or form would i be happy with Cindy taking Peter's place in the web. I take it you're satisfied with the Spider-Totem storyline, then?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 13:08:12 GMT
The way it played out it didn't bother me much but then again i'm generally a fan of anything that gives Peter a better standing.
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Post by botolo on Aug 21, 2014 0:57:22 GMT
I have just finished reading this issue and I really don't like the idea of playing with Spidey's origins. Why do we now need this idea that Peter was not the only one bitten by the Spider? Also, Peter was a kid in high school when the Spider bit him and he now is way beyond grad school. It means that at least 10-15 years have gone from the biting event. Wow, basically this girl has been kidnapped for 15 years and nobody cared???
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Post by Ozymandias on Aug 21, 2014 10:03:39 GMT
Why do we now need this idea that Peter was not the only one bitten by the Spider? Wow, basically this girl has been kidnapped for 15 years and nobody cared??? Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMarvel thinks this is as good a way as any other, to boost sales. Keep in mind that this is a business, money is the prime factor to take into account for any decision making. Artistic considerations come in afterwards, if at all. If you've read this thread, you'll know that her isolation has been brought up before. Cindy comes off as a pretty unrealistic character so far. You're the only mobile poster in the forum, until now.
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