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Post by Ozymandias on Oct 1, 2014 21:04:48 GMT
[…] Silver Sable's feelings for Spider-Man […] […] Marvel Team-Up #82 thru #85. I never understood the lack of interest of using Black Widow(by past Spider-Writers) as a frequent guest in Spider-Man's world. Silver Sable, the character I remember from the 80's, was a cold bitch who felt contempt towards Spidey (if anything at all). She was always condescending and saw him as a foolish amateur. I read those last year, Claremont's take on Peter's love life was certainly different to that of the regular Spider-writers. I liked how he depicted MJ, Cissy as a casual fling, and the tentative relationship with Natasha. |
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Post by darthfury78 on Oct 2, 2014 1:31:44 GMT
[…] Silver Sable's feelings for Spider-Man […] […] Marvel Team-Up #82 thru #85. I never understood the lack of interest of using Black Widow(by past Spider-Writers) as a frequent guest in Spider-Man's world. Silver Sable, the character I remember from the 80's, was a cold bitch who felt contempt towards Spidey (if anything at all). She was always condescending and saw him as a foolish amateur. I read those last year, Claremont's take on Peter's love life was certainly different to that of the regular Spider-writers. I liked how he depicted MJ, Cissy as a casual fling, and the tentative relationship with Natasha.I think that if Claremont was the regular writer for Spider-Man, we might have seen Spider-Man's relationship with the Black Widow develop a lot further. As for Silver Sable, while she was cold towards Spider-Man, her feelings for him did develop around that time. The best moments between them could be found in What if(vol 2) #20 and #21. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Oct 2, 2014 7:56:38 GMT
What time are you referring to? I haven read most of the 90's stuff, but other than that she was always distant. Heck, she was The Foreigner's ex-wife!
What If stories are set in a different earth, some example from within the 616 universe?
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Post by darthfury78 on Oct 2, 2014 13:26:51 GMT
What time are you referring to? I haven read most of the 90's stuff, but other than that she was always distant. Heck, she was The Foreigner's ex-wife! What If stories are set in a different earth, some example from within the 616 universe? Her feelings for Spider-Man was shown in ASM #302 and #303, as well as issues #320 thru #325. in her early appearances around that time, there were a few hints by writer Tom Defalco that Silver Sable did harbor some feelings for Spider-Man. But his marriage to Mary Jane closed the door to that possible development between them until Dan Slott used her and the Black Widow for the Ends of the Earth storyline where her feelings for Spider-Man were revealed. Thus, Silver Sable was used in Spider-Man's world in the late 1980's. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Oct 2, 2014 14:47:36 GMT
I read all of those last year. In fact, I stopped reading right with issue 325 (how's that for coincidence?). I don't recall her being any "warmer" towards Spidey, than she was when DeFalco was writing ASM. But at least she wasn't explicitly thinking of him: "Stupid dumb amateur".
As for him being married, did he mention it? Because Silver didn't know his secret identity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 9:41:13 GMT
I have to read it again because i don't recall much interest Darth but for the OP Amazing.
I hate Superior with every fibre of my being, the idea, the execution everything so yeah there you go.
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Post by Ozymandias on Oct 10, 2014 15:50:42 GMT
I have to read it again because i don't recall much interest Darth but for the OP Amazing. I hate Superior with every fibre of my being, the idea, the execution everything so yeah there you go. That kind of visceral positioning, is why I didn't attach a poll to this thread. It somehow seems unfair to count a heart-felt vote like yours, with the same value that an "I'd say I enjoyed Slott better, when he was working on his baby". That last one was my opinion, if it wasn't clear at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 8:31:20 GMT
Well i have to wait for a week before i can read the end of Goblin Nation with great detail, (They seem to be finishing it in december so they can relaunch in the new year more than likely).My hatred of the concept I think its because of the whole i'm better than you because i'm smarter(yet i have only been able to out think you twice in 45years worth of comics) so i'm superior to you i mean disregard how every time we fought you laid a can of whoop ass nope i'm still superior, street level crime is beneath him, he disregards about 90% of super heros as worthless (with Dan Slott's writing the avengers were worthless), he believes he's the world's greatest sciencist and leader and the world owns him anything he wants I mean come on it was creator's pet to the extreme and Spider-Verse makes it even worse and i'm likely 5/6 months away from reading it and i still know it makes it worse.
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Post by Ozymandias on Dec 11, 2014 14:54:38 GMT
My problem with "Superior", wasn't so much the character's ego, as the inconsistency of his goals. At the beginning, at the end of ASM #700, it looked like he was set out for a change, but afterwards, we saw him acting more or less like a hero, depending on the situation. I don't know what that final scene from "Dying Wish" was supposed to mean, when you take Superior Spider-Man into consideration.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 10:29:39 GMT
My problem with "Superior", wasn't so much the character's ego, as the inconsistency of his goals. At the beginning, at the end of ASM #700, it looked like he was set out for a change, but afterwards, we saw him acting more or less like a hero, depending on the situation. I don't know what that final scene from "Dying Wish" was supposed to mean, when you take Superior Spider-Man into consideration. Yeah but that scene was when he turned and said Peter could rest easy as he wasn't leaving the world to a villian and then secs later he would say with his tech, his brain he would be superior so basically he's better than peter and believes that until the end of Goblin Nation until Norman beats him at his own game and he finally admits that Peter was better |
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Post by Ozymandias on Jan 5, 2015 14:46:30 GMT
My problem with "Superior", wasn't so much the character's ego, as the inconsistency of his goals. At the beginning, at the end of ASM #700, it looked like he was set out for a change, but afterwards, we saw him acting more or less like a hero, depending on the situation. I don't know what that final scene from "Dying Wish" was supposed to mean, when you take Superior Spider-Man into consideration. Yeah but that scene was when he turned and said Peter could rest easy as he wasn't leaving the world to a villian and then secs later he would say with his tech, his brain he would be superior so basically he's better than peter and believes that until the end of Goblin Nation until Norman beats him at his own game and he finally admits that Peter was better When reading ASM #700, I got the impression he wanted to be a hero (ego notwithstanding) because he had relived Peter's life as his own. At times, when reading Superior, I don't even get the feeling he wants (or knows) to be a hero. |
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Post by spiderman62 on Jan 10, 2015 16:26:39 GMT
They released another book the same week as #700. I think it was the team-up book that they had at the time. And in that he's saying the stuff that volcaniktiger86 mentions.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jan 10, 2015 22:30:25 GMT
Actions speak louder than words, and the actions he's depicted carrying out in Superior, aren't always those of a hero. It looks more like a guy, who's trying to make the most from his temporary situation. I'm thinking, for example, of the much talked about situation created around MJ at the beginning. The fact he didn't finally go with it, doesn't mean he didn't see any moral impediment. Hardly the hero, I'd say.
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Post by spiderman62 on Jan 11, 2015 13:27:26 GMT
Actions speak louder than words, and the actions he's depicted carrying out in Superior, aren't always those of a hero. It looks more like a guy, who's trying to make the most from his temporary situation. I'm thinking, for example, of the much talked about situation created around MJ at the beginning. The fact he didn't finally go with it, doesn't mean he didn't see any moral impediment. Hardly the hero, I'd say. Yeah, he wasn't exactly a hero - I followed in trade form rather than comics. Still I'm hoping that once Spider-Verse is over we won't hear or see ''Superior'' for a long time if ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 8:44:16 GMT
I was talking about the end of #700 and throughout superior where he was always going on about how he was better than most people (i think bruce was an exception) and then during superior spiderman #30 when Peter revealed himself he admitted that he wasn't. Of course Peter is proving himself inferior for the simple fact from what i have heard he isn't really growing from the experience. I haven't read it yet.
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