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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 4, 2016 20:24:20 GMT
Four months, is the amount of time, Gwen spent in France:
When did that “vacation” take place? That places her return, immediately before ASM #120: Backtracking Peter’s movements, we see him leaving for Montreal, just the same day he gets back home, from the story with the Smasher: In that story, Gwen was present, so she could only be absent for a few days, at most.
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Post by vixx on Jun 5, 2016 19:34:34 GMT
Question 1
The letter snip it says she left for Europe 4 months ago - but doesn't state she stayed there... She could be back, and a cloud between them or not the same as before she left. Four months is just the start of the timeline.
Is there a text copy of the letter?
Is there anything in that window to show its normal?
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 5, 2016 21:05:33 GMT
A text copy? No, unless someone bothers to do that. But a little bit below it states "I tried to call you, but your aunt says you're in Canada", that implies she was out of the loop, up to #119. Whether she was still in France, or somewhere else, isn't the issue, but the fact that she was all four months "out of the picture". If she came back while Peter was in Canada (ASM #119-120) and she "took off for Europe [...] four months" prior to her writing that letter, she was AWOL at least for that period of time. Come to think of it, it can't be more than those four months, given the Canada reference, at the time of the writing of the letter.
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Post by vixx on Jun 6, 2016 0:56:20 GMT
Interesting - Is there anything else going on in other books that might influence this? By chance - do we know exactly when the first Gwen clone was made (rough est of issue) or if it existed yet during this time? I can't think of another doppelgänger st that time that was detailed enough to fool everyone if it came down to it ... Curiously if this can be worked into a "real Gwen might not be dead" angle
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 6, 2016 8:29:21 GMT
Other books? At the time, there was only ASM. MTU was brand new. In continuity, the clone was done after Gwen's death (but we kinda fixed that, didn't we? ).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 17:30:25 GMT
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 6, 2016 17:35:57 GMT
Well, you have to squint a bit, sure...but it's not the first time that we've had to do that in Amazing Spider-Man...even back in the day! Just try fitting the events of Spectacular Spider-Man Magazine #2 into the events of concurrent issues of Amazing Spider-Man, I dare you! It can be done, of course, but not without splitting that mag up into tiny pieces to fit the events that occur in it around the issues of ASM that are set at the same time...and with a bit of squinting. Funny you should mention fitting the events of Spectacular Spider-Man Magazine #2, in continuity, because I tried doing that, and expanding from the work done at Spiderfan.org, I got this reading order.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 17:37:05 GMT
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 6, 2016 17:38:49 GMT
I don't mind making allowances for a stretched or compressed timeline in comics that tell stories covering several months... The big problem here, is that we're supposed to stretch a few days of Marvel Time into four months, of Marvel Time too. This construct is famous for the opposite, compression, and the conversion is always real time to Marvel Time. I can't think of a comparable event, as a precedent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 17:39:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 17:40:26 GMT
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 6, 2016 17:41:26 GMT
But my point is, it doesn't really matter whether it fits or not. Fitting stuff exactly into the chronology or timeline was already a secondary concern versus telling a good story even back in the Silver Age, so it sure of hell isn't a big consideration in the 21st century. Plus, as icctrombone points out, Sins Past was a retcon and this is kinda how retcons are supposed to work. Fitting it exactly should be possible, but sadly you do have to give that up, when reading stories pertaining to these big, fictional universes. Too many people working simultaneously with the same characters, for everything to play out nicely. But this? This does't even remotely fit. I can forgive a bad retcon involving modern affairs, but the fact that continuity has been increasingly screwed, over time, to the point that no one cares anymore, doesn't mean you can go back and mess with the Silver-Bronze Age. If you want to retcon that stuff, you have to do it correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 17:42:24 GMT
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Post by vixx on Jun 7, 2016 15:05:46 GMT
One small thing - with all this back and forth, isn't there a restriction on flying and pregnancy ... Yet alone riding through the jungle in a two piece lol
You figure carrying serum babies wouldn't make for a normal pregnancy ( apparently they have a built in cloaking device) - the morning sickness alone must be a monster ... Although that may just be her normal reaction to the Sins Past story...
Think it pokes holes at a minimum or supports alternate theories ... In any of the stories;
Hate lose ends, but it could be worse ...At least they haven't tried any of these three paths:
1 - trace amounts of Goblin goo left in her blood allowed her to appear dead and eventually comeback
2 - gobby Gwen
And this bit of random shudder from a forum
3 - the baby stolen from Peter/MJ is a post twins Gwen clone / not a clone thing that grows much faster than a normal baby.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 7, 2016 19:18:05 GMT
1 - trace amounts of Goblin goo left in her blood allowed her to appear dead and eventually comeback Yikes, don't float this idea around, it might "stick"
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